Talk:Yamato
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Yamato Combo: Allow the sheathing animation adds your stylish gauge and regains about 1/2 Devil Trigger runes back!
The sheathing animation of the Yamato (Yamato Combo, Upper slash, Taunt) adds to your stylish gauge and recharges the Devil Trigger (Taunt creates an aura that continues to recharge)
"You will die." "Come on!" "Hmph, how boring." "What's wrong?"
Judgment Cut: As soon as you see him put the Yamato back in the scabbard, wait for a fraction of a second (or wait till the first rumble finishes), then press triangle. Observe his hand again for a second time, and this time press TRIANGLE AS SOON AS you see the sword sheathed. And Viola! All 3 hits of the Judgement Cut. Just remember the initial pause for the second hit, and the virtually non existent pause for the third hit.
Vergil often stylishly puts the Yamato back to it's sheath slowly, sometimes timing the act with the reaction of the being that he just attacked.
<Info on timing for Judgment Cut
The key is observing Vergil's actions and feeling the dual shock "rumbles." I suggest watching Vergil's hands. As soon as you see him put the Yamato back in the scabbard, wait for a fraction of a second (or wait till the first rumble finishes), then press triangle. Observe his hand again for a second time, and this time press TRIANGLE AS SOON AS you see the sword sheathed. And Viola! All 3 hits of the Judgement Cut. Just remember the initial pause for the second hit, and the virtually non existent pause for the third hit.
- The above info needs to be covered somewhat more professionally in the lead, possibly with links to real-world use of a similar style, with some explanation of how he uses not only the blade but the sheath in battle. If it won't fit well in the lead, it should go into a "Gameplay" and "Movesets" sections, where appropriate.Glorious CHAOS! 19:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] What the heck?
Why the heck is Summoned Swords included in the Yamato article when they could be goin' in the firearms section or somethin' since they operate in that way. I don't see how it's analogous to Yamato since the weapon can be used regardless of the currently equipped Devil Arm Kaihedgie 07:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- The Dark Slayer Style and Summoned Swords bits from DMC4 were included as powers held within the Yamato. The whole thing is basically combined into one essence there, so we decided to merge them.Glorious CHAOS! 17:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
You have to take into account though that the Summoned Swords in DMC3 and 4 are different. In addition, Dante doesn't have Summoned Swords in his moveset while using Darkslayer, despite knowing an advanced technique like Dimension Slash. The ones formed by Vergil not only look different, but work different as well. The swords in DMC3 operate and are registered as Guns and are used regardless of which Devil Arm where as in DMC4 they're only available in DT form. I could suggest makin' an article just for the DMC3 version though. Kaihedgie 21:12, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
- Well, in DMC3, the Dark Slayer style (which includes the Summoned Swords), says it is based on Vergil's weapons as well. I know it's a weird solution, but it's a facet of the Yamato in one game, so it's easier just to merge it than to have redundancies and duplicate articles.
- Additionally, while the DMC1/3 Summoned Swords and the DMC4 swords are different aesthetically, they are clearly the same basic thing, and share the same functionality. And, as a concession to the fact that they are considered "Guns" in every appearance, the movelist lists them under guns, and their redirect pages categorize them as guns.
- Since it was a consensus decision to merge the style and Summoned Swords in the first place, if you want to ask Flia and any other active editors to discuss a split, that would be fine, I guess, it's just going to be more difficult to cover the info.
- Agh, I wish more people would edit this wiki.Glorious CHAOS! 07:25, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
You called? :)
I remember that discussion being about DS style, not about summoned swords. And I don't remember any quote saying that they are a part of DSS either. More than that, Dante didn't use summoned swords with Yamato and Dark Slayer, but Nero had.
About DS itself... weeeeell, it is a really hard split. In DMC3 Vergil used it not only with Yamato, but with Beowulf and Force Edge too, yet in DMC4 it is technically a switch to Yamato. Maybe it should be a split indeed, DMC4 DS with its moveset placed here, and DMC3 and its moveset placed there, with a link of course. Maybe we could even create a disambig page. Yeah, that's an idea.
By the way, I'm being totally away from internet for a few days. If you want to make something now, you'll have to do it yourselves. Flia 18:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition, Style File — Dark Slayer: "A warrior fallen from grace. The power of darkness gives birth to new weapons and skills."
- In addition, Summoned Swords can only be upgraded with the Dark Slayer style, not on its own (i.e., higher levels of SS require higher levels of DSS first). If the DSS is merged, Summoned Swords also have to be merged. And when Nero recieves the Yamato, he receives Summoned Swords as part of it.
- Then, with Dante, the Dark Slayer Style is the Yamato, and splitting the info back to the DSS page would leave extremely Yamato-relevant info out.
- A split is doable, but it would require taking the Dark Slayer stuff out, too.Glorious CHAOS! 23:27, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
The quote you provided doesn't explicitly say that it is applied to Summoned swords too. And in DMC3 you cannot upgrade anything without levelling DS, including Beowulf. More like a gameplay thing to me, to prevent player from purchasing all abilities at once.
I don't know if it is a part of Yamato's powers, but I have several arguments against: first, if it was, it is likely to be used by Dante, but he did not (although it could by choice, I admit); second, it could be Nero's inherent power, Credo has such power already (yeah, I know about "dark angel" pieces presumably used in Ascension ceremony, but he isn't wielding Yamato anyway).
I know, it is just a rumor, but some people say that Nero is a son of Vergil... hate to say that, but if it is truly stated in that DMC4 novel, it will be so.
I didn't say that DMC4 DSS should be moved; more than that, I'm against it. Maybe I didn't explained myself clearly, but I suggest leaving here, with Yamato, all the info about Dante's Dark Slayer, and Vergil's Dark Slayer move away, to separate article. Then create a link to each other and a disambig page for those who want to find info about Dark Slayer using the search box. Technically, they are completely separate styles, just named the same, so such move is justified.
P.S.: Gone. :( Flia 06:24, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
I think that it will be fine if we leave here the DMC4 DSS, as I suggested already. Flia 18:06, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
- Well then it would be appropriate to leave the Summoned Swords here as well. The same arguments apply for keeping both here.Glorious CHAOS! 22:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
No, there is no reason. As I said, there is no direct links to SS being a part of Yamato powers, while Dante's DSS is technically a Yamato-wielding mode. Note that I operate under an assumption that the DMC3 and DMC4 DSS' are completely different styles, just named the same.
And I want someone third to participate in this. There is Kaihedgie?.. Flia 21:03, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
- The DMC4 Summoned Swords are gained from the Yamato. That's a direct link. Yes, the DSS functions differently in each game, but then, in DMC3 it's only difference from Trickster is that it allows you to upgrade your Devil Arms and obtain the Summoned Swords.Glorious CHAOS! 10:25, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, I had been misinterpreting your suggestion. Okay, what if we return the Summoned Sword and DSS articles to their pre-merge states, but have a copy of the DMC4 DSS here? That way, all the DSS info is on one page, and all of the Yamato and DSS-Yamato info is on this page.Glorious CHAOS! 10:43, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
That seems to be the only way. However, it's likely that such way a repetition will occur. Maybe if we place a link... No, it's too close-related to both Yamato and DSS in general. Yeah, that seems to be the only way. Flia 12:19, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
